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Mensaje posteado el día 03/09/2006, 22:43:07 PM por Jsnover |
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| Fijado originalmente cerca Sophieso: |
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| Mensaje Cotizado: Jim, I don't see the part of the contract that says you can't have files removed once they've been uploaded. You've worked with this team for a long time and shared a profitable partnership. You must know that administration here isn't going to hold you back if you feel you've got bigger fish to fry. That's just not the way this administration works. |
I think you're missing the point. Perhaps the management would make exceptions to the rules, but they aren't required to. The words in a contract matter - they define the rights and responsibilites of each party.
If we could all just rely on each other's good judgment, then we wouldn't need a contract at all.
And in fact, prior to this proposed change, Dreamstime was relying on my good judgment to just leave my images up here, and I did. Apparently that's no longer good enough for Dreamstime and they want a contract to require images to stay up for 12 months.
It seems quite odd to try to defend a controversial provision of a contract by suggesting it will be ignored if we just ask nicely...
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Mensaje editado el día 03/10/2006, 00:52:14 AM por Sophieso |
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Dentist1, you make a good point about administrators identifying themselves so others will understand. That said...
I am a site administrator for Dreamstime. See? Administration is listening and reacting:-) BTW, you've made a lot of other good points in your post, and those points, too, are being heard and considered. You might expect that the changes in contract would scare off new members, but it seems that exactly the opposite has happened.
JoAnne, I'm not defending anything, just huffing and puffing and trying to keep things straight. I'll say it again--nothing is written in stone, administration is listening and trying to do what is best for the community, and Achilles posted the first draft of the changes a month in advance so that you, and everybody else, could voice their opinions and have a say in the final decisions. A month's notice is an act of good faith, genuine concern, and a willingness to listen and make adjustments. I'm having trouble understanding how that is continually overlooked and not taken into consideration when making assumptions, especially the assumption that Dreamstime is not spending long hours weighing the concerns of the community against what is needed for the stability and competitiveness of the site in this rapidly changing indesutry. However, I do understand that language barriers can sometimes get in the way on a site with as much international reach as Dreamstime. I also understand that we're all visual people and don't always read a bunch of messy words:-)
Did we all read on the home page that Dreamstime has moved up the ranks? We are now the 6th ranked stock agency on Alexa, and the 3rd ranked microstock. This is an incredible accomplishment in light of aggressive moves made by stock agencies throughout the entire industry.
Dentist1, the most recent update on the thoughts of administration is that they are taking everything into consideration. I am not part of those final decisions, other than being a member like everybody else, but I do see those who are making the decisions logged on at the most ungodly hours so they can listen to the members and track the responses. I can also tell you that the top concern of Dreamstime administration is the health and stability of the site and the prosperity of its members. That is the one issue about which there will be no compromise. |
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 04:52:52 AM por Has1sue |
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Well one thing we can gather from all of this is that if Dreamstime do go down the 12 months road, they will see a change in the amount of uploads from the designated date, and wil have to careful that less choice and numbers to meet does not mean a drop in quality.
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Mensaje editado el día 03/10/2006, 08:09:43 AM por Achilles - el miembro es un administrativo |
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I will reply to a question that Alcoholic send me as a private comment, as this may help other photogs too.
Consider two things:
1. we are the most careful agency on the market towards our photographers. we bring a double amount of revenue to you, without gaining anything! That's true, if you make the average between the old prices and the new ones, you will see that the agency will earn a little over 20% with the new ones in place. Check the older threads, I explained this.
In the past we have given the highest comission fee and sometimes over 100% to our photographers. We didn't do it for free, we gained a very dedicated and passionate photographers niche. Do you think we would do something that would jeapordize your position? Why? It would be bad for the agency too.
Now, we do understand that this is a problem for some photographers, but where's the problem in fact?
2. there is another agency that tried to get photographers from us. Alcoholic left and saw that it was not good for him, like some a few others that are now returning. If you would have stayed probably your revenue would be triple now. Don't know, is a guess, but a lot higher.
Now, such thing as exclusivity for 20% comission fee is bad. That thing should have made you scream at that time. That's a real freedom issue, not what we propose.
The only thing you would be forbidden would be to go exclusive. Is that a problem for you? If so, let me be fair, but why should we accept that? You would be leaving us anyway, right?
What we do here is to strenghten our foundation in the competition field among agencies.
Photographers are our most important asset and these moves are in their own interest. Do you want things to stay the same? You do like these sales. How about making them double or triple in the next year? Do you want a guarantee? I can assure you that the next year stats will be at least double or triple in sales than the previous one. |
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 08:11:10 AM por Texasladi |
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Ok, I'm very new here..first post and have never submitted a photo. I'm just looking into all the options that a photographer has if I decide that's what I want to do.
Here's my take on this situation, I'm not seeing why so many are confused or upset about it...(if I'm wrong in any way please correct me though)
1. The 12 month contract does NOT mean you are exclusive with DT! Although you have that option if you want it, if not then don't do it!
2. DT more or less just wants the time to promote these images and have them available for a longer time before the photographer takes them down.
3. IF you want to become exclusive with a company or another stock site, you have that right and can request that your images be removed from DT or if you just have a really good reason for wanting out, you can request it and they will do what they can to remove your work from their site.
My opinion, some "buyers" may search this site for a few weeks before deciding what photos they want...but when they go back in a few weeks, the images are gone and then DT hears about it and it makes them look bad in a sense.
Also, certain photos don't get searched and bought overnight...it takes time for the right person to come along. I do resale, I have things sitting for a while but I know one day the right person will come along so I leave it sitting until that time comes.
Jeez, hope I have all this right haha Personally I don't have a problem with the 12 month thing...the only way I would is if it was exclusive only and I'm not seeing that in this! ;-) |
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 08:35:50 AM por Marilyna |
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I have absolutely no problem with the 12 month lock in period. Once my pics are uploaded, thats it as far as Im concerned, theyve gone online and gone and I get on with my next batch.
I dont want to be exclusive anywhere, cos that seems to me like a restriction on my "free spirit" nature. If fabulous wealth was being offered, then maybe I might reconsider, but as thats unlikely to happen then its not relevant to me.
If a miracle occurs and I take what I think is "that million dollar shot", like Britney with her knickers down or something similar, then maybe I would market it elsewhere, as thats unlikely to happen again this is not relevant to me.
I have always liked the vibe here at this site, it was the first site that I joined and I for one will not leaving.
So good luck to you Achilles and the team. Great job under difficult pressures
marilyna
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 10:10:34 AM por Imagodigipix |
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Really I do not understand why some people are against 12 month option as long as there is no exclusivity and as long as you can agree with DT to disable it in case of an exclusive request.
Also, I do not agree at all with some agressive behaviour I met around. If one does not agree with the terms has plenty of choices but has not to be agressive. Some of us can be gentleman some others cannot.
I do apreciate DT as being more then an online pictures store. It really takes care of its contributors and helps those who are in need to grow. There are some other sites that simply ban you after first ten rejection.
I am waiting to see DT on the first place in Alexa and other rankings. |
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 10:56:47 AM por Antonia |
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The 12-month option to my images would be no problem. You might laugh at this, but somehow it is a safe depository site for my images. And I need one for my chaotic order.
For this, I love you, DT... |
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 11:26:01 AM por Beckyabell |
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Becky, I will be here waiting for you when you reach your rightful place just try not to pass me as you climb ok ;)
If you could just slow down a little!! :)
Actually I am in Cal. right now with the family been taking tons of great photos, can not wait to start uploading when I get home.
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 11:34:48 AM por Douglas_freer |
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I'm the owner of the independent micropayment forum. This is my first and probably my last post here on Dreamstime.
In common with many of our 800 members on the micropayment forum, I regard the 12 month retention of images rule as completely unacceptable in the context of a microstock agency.
Rights managed agencies can get away with a minimum retention period but that is because RM is a different sales model, and even then the retention period is often only 6 months (as is the case with Alamy, for example).
I wish Dreamstime every success, but you are making things difficult for yourselves. I respectfully suggest an urgent rethink before its too late.
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 13:35:37 PM por Damir00 |
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Mensaje Cotizado:
The only thing you would be forbidden would be to go exclusive. |
That's a pretty big "only". ;)
We've read eloquent posts from DT admin/management about how, TOS or not, they "won't stand in anyone's way". So how about formalizing that generous spirit with this compromise...
...the 12 month restriction gets reduced to 3 monts for any photographer choosing to go exlusive (photographer-exclusive OR image-exclusive) elsewhere.
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Mensaje editado el día 03/10/2006, 13:54:54 PM por Sophieso |
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I'm going back to bed and start this day over again.
Someone who runs a site comparing microstock sites but has never had to actually run one is giving business advice?
And someone suggests that we require 12 but reduce it for others who want to make money here first, test their portfolios, gain some steam, and THEN go exclusive somewhere else.....while everybody has to agree to the 12 month requirement.
Yep. Back to bed and hope I wake up in a world that makes a little more sense. |
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 14:16:53 PM por Beckyabell |
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You got an extra pillow Mary Ann?
I think I'll join you. :) |
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 14:20:55 PM por Joegough |
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Mensaje Cotizado: I'm going back to bed and start this day over again.
Someone who runs a site comparing microstock sites but has never had to actually run one is giving business advice?
And someone suggests that we require 12 but reduce it for others who want to make money here first, test their portfolios, gain some steam, and THEN go exclusive somewhere else.....while everybody has to agree to the 12 month requirement.
Yep. Back to bed and hope I wake up in a world that makes a little more sense. |
What an extraordinary attitude. One moment you claim to be welcoming feedback and ideas and then the next moment you are being dismissive and disparaging to those that try. Not good at all. |
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Mensaje posteado el día 03/10/2006, 14:26:40 PM por Achilles - el miembro es un administrativo |
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Sorry, this discussion tends to raise more flames than needed.
We appreciate your input and will carefuly consider your suggestions.
Until the decision is announced, this thread will be closed. |
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